Comments on: Top down: race riots on Cronulla beach http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism cities, science, art, music, ideas, etc Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:22:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Fortune Grey » Stars and bars http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-7154 Fortune Grey » Stars and bars Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:38:56 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-7154 [...] After the Cronulla riots there was a rash of white boys getting National-Pride-inspired ‘Southern Cross’ or ‘Aussie Pride’ tattoos. [...] [...] After the Cronulla riots there was a rash of white boys getting National-Pride-inspired ‘Southern Cross’ or ‘Aussie Pride’ tattoos. [...]

]]> By: Fortune Grey » Kiss this flag or else http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-190 Fortune Grey » Kiss this flag or else Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:06:00 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-190 [...] My brother, whose band played at the festival, said a lot of punters dressed in Aussie flag clothing and even whole flags. That sounds awful - last refuge of the scoundrel and all that, especially in light of the Cronulla race riot last year - but even worse, meatheads wandered around asking people to kiss the sweaty flag they were wrapped in, and beat up those who refused. [...] [...] My brother, whose band played at the festival, said a lot of punters dressed in Aussie flag clothing and even whole flags. That sounds awful – last refuge of the scoundrel and all that, especially in light of the Cronulla race riot last year – but even worse, meatheads wandered around asking people to kiss the sweaty flag they were wrapped in, and beat up those who refused. [...]

]]> By: calico http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-90 calico Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:55:50 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-90 It is reassuring though to see in the <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/racism-voters-disagree-with-pm/2005/12/19/1134840796136.html" rel="nofollow">Herald today</a> that an AC Nielson poll had 75 percent of respondents disagreeing with Howard's claim that the riots weren't race related, and 81 percent supporting multiculturalism. Former Fairfax journo Antony Loewenstein picks up the story at his <a href="http://antonyloewenstein.blogspot.com/2005/12/accepting-our-demons.html" rel="nofollow">blog</a>. It is reassuring though to see in the Herald today that an AC Nielson poll had 75 percent of respondents disagreeing with Howard’s claim that the riots weren’t race related, and 81 percent supporting multiculturalism.

Former Fairfax journo Antony Loewenstein picks up the story at his blog.

]]> By: c.biz http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-88 c.biz Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:54:22 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-88 completely off topic but one time i saw a photo of andrew bartlett at age 20-something, he was wearing all black and had long black hair and looked like the BIGGEST sepultura fan. completely off topic
but one time i saw a photo of andrew bartlett at age 20-something, he was wearing all black and had long black hair and looked like the BIGGEST sepultura fan.

]]> By: Lisa http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-85 Lisa Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:17:47 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-85 If Australians are "racist", wouldn't the crowd at Cronulla then have been attacking Asians, Indians, Islanders etc as well? In several of the photos, you can see men of non-caucasian appearance partaking in the violence as well. The violence was not particular to white-Australians. From what I can see, it is a united multicultural group rioting against one group - those of Middle Eastern Descent. It just happened to play out wrong because the initial idea was to protest against the Middle Eastern gangs that have troubled Cronulla...not against all Middle Easterners. It just, unfortunately, got extremely out of hand due to a bunch of drunken idiots who came looking for *any* fight. If Australians are “racist”, wouldn’t the crowd at Cronulla then have been attacking Asians, Indians, Islanders etc as well? In several of the photos, you can see men of non-caucasian appearance partaking in the violence as well. The violence was not particular to white-Australians. From what I can see, it is a united multicultural group rioting against one group – those of Middle Eastern Descent. It just happened to play out wrong because the initial idea was to protest against the Middle Eastern gangs that have troubled Cronulla…not against all Middle Easterners. It just, unfortunately, got extremely out of hand due to a bunch of drunken idiots who came looking for *any* fight.

]]> By: calico http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-83 calico Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:48:21 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-83 there's some interesting debate going on at <a href="http://www.andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=61" rel="nofollow">Senator Andrew Bartlett's blog</a> there’s some interesting debate going on at Senator Andrew Bartlett’s blog

]]> By: gravy http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-82 gravy Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:44:06 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-82 I sincerely hope this will tar Howard, but the more likely outcome will be blame targetted at the media, then deflected to the state govt/NSW police without the problem being addressed. Fairfax is already pointing the finger at Jones, and it won't be long before people of Jones's ilk (News Corp., PBL, etc) start reapportioning the blame to NSW State politics and policing. It will be easy for Howard to avoid, as he will be able to claim that this was a state-only matter, and can point to previous riots in Sydney as being unique to that city/state. Nonetheless, I think much of what he has done in his reign has led to disenchantment among many groups, not just racially, but socio-economically. I sincerely hope this will tar Howard, but the more likely outcome will be blame targetted at the media, then deflected to the state govt/NSW police without the problem being addressed. Fairfax is already pointing the finger at Jones, and it won’t be long before people of Jones’s ilk (News Corp., PBL, etc) start reapportioning the blame to NSW State politics and policing.

It will be easy for Howard to avoid, as he will be able to claim that this was a state-only matter, and can point to previous riots in Sydney as being unique to that city/state. Nonetheless, I think much of what he has done in his reign has led to disenchantment among many groups, not just racially, but socio-economically.

]]> By: calico http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-81 calico Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:17:43 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-81 I'm not criticising the Eureka flag, just its use as a nationalist rallying cry, like the yelling of Waltzing Matilda and the crowd draped in Australian flags. I hope there's serious consideration of the real causes of this mess. And by that I mean <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/oneway-radio-plays-by-its-own-rules/2005/12/12/1134236005956.html" rel="nofollow">Alan Jones' hysterical ranting on talkback radio</a>. Seriously, if a community radio presenter on some ethnic show out at Lakemba was to incite the sort of activity Jones was inciting on mainstream radio, there'd be calls for jail/deportation/etc. I’m not criticising the Eureka flag, just its use as a nationalist rallying cry, like the yelling of Waltzing Matilda and the crowd draped in Australian flags.

I hope there’s serious consideration of the real causes of this mess. And by that I mean Alan Jones’ hysterical ranting on talkback radio. Seriously, if a community radio presenter on some ethnic show out at Lakemba was to incite the sort of activity Jones was inciting on mainstream radio, there’d be calls for jail/deportation/etc.

]]> By: Snaggletooth http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism/comment-page-1#comment-80 Snaggletooth Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:44:57 +0000 http://fortunegrey.com/2005/12/12/top-down-racism#comment-80 in relation to the appearance of the Eureka flag in this mindless debacle. Sadly whoever the maggots were weilding that flag, which incidently graphically is the sign of the southern cross, have no idea of what it trully represents, and from what social, political and racial climate it was originally borne in 1854. Those originally gathered beneathe that flag welcomed all from any race, colour and religion to stand with them in solidarity to defend their rights and liberties. There was true multiculturalism under that flag. Those in Cronulla weilding that flag do so falsely and they bring shame upon those of us trying to Reclaim the Radical Spirit of Eureka, and any commentator who automatically associates that flag with actions such as those at Cronulla shows just how ignorant of our social history they really are. in relation to the appearance of the Eureka flag in this mindless debacle. Sadly whoever the maggots were weilding that flag, which incidently graphically is the sign of the southern cross, have no idea of what it trully represents, and from what social, political and racial climate it was originally borne in 1854. Those originally gathered beneathe that flag welcomed all from any race, colour and religion to stand with them in solidarity to defend their rights and liberties. There was true multiculturalism under that flag.
Those in Cronulla weilding that flag do so falsely and they bring shame upon those of us trying to Reclaim the Radical Spirit of Eureka, and any commentator who automatically associates that flag with actions such as those at Cronulla shows just how ignorant of our social history they really are.

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